Frequently Asked Questions
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About us
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Why is both& closing?
Unfortunately, we have been unable to get the financial backing required to continue. To learn more, please read our CEO's letter here.
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Will there be any more restocks?
No. The stock currently for sale on the website is the last Both& stock.
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How does the closing sale work?
Purchases up to $150 in value will automatically get 15% off at checkout.
Purchases up to $250 in value will automatically get 20% off at checkout.
Purchases up to $350 in value will automatically get 25% off at checkout.
Purchases above $350 in value will automatically get 30% off at checkout.
Additionally, we are discounting select items, starting with our core t shirt line. Over the coming weeks, we will likely add more styles to this. We will announce those style additions via email and socials.
Please note that all items sold as of Oct 1st 2024 are considered final sale, and will not be eligible for returns or refunds. -
The items I most want aren’t currently on sale. Should I wait until they are?
This is totally up to you. Some styles have much less stock that others, so if there is something you really want, we strongly encourage you to get it sooner rather than later. However, you are more than welcome to wait and see whether a certain style goes on deeper sale over time, we just can’t promise there will be stock left.
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Can I buy Both& wholesale?
If you are interested in placing an order for 500+ units, please email finnegan@bothandapparel.com.
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I am so sad that Both& is closing, and I want to support you. What can I do?
We are so touched by the flood of messages we have already received. This is a very challenging time for us, and we welcome your help. The best things you can do are 1) stock up on Both&, so that none of this inventory goes to waste and we are able to pay off debt, and 2) encourage you friends/family/followers to get Both& while they can. Additionally, feel free to send messages of love and appreciate to finnegan@bothandapparel.com.
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Will your Discord community stay open?
Absolutely. We want to do whatever we can to continue supporting the beautiful Both& community.
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What are your clothes made of? How do I take care of them?
Most of our garments are 100% cotton, including our denim. We predominantly produce out clothing in Turkey and Portugal, at Grade A certified factories. Our swim tops and trunks are made of a polyester/elastane blend. Our customers say that Both& is generally sensory-friendly, but of course that depends on your personal needs.
We recommend machine washing your Both& in cold water and hanging to dry if you don’t want it to shrink, and we recommend hand washing swim cold. Cotton shrinks naturally, so if you plan to wash in warm water and/or machine dry, it might be a good idea to size up in our shirts. Denim doesn’t tend to shrink and it “breaks in” anyway, so no need to size up there. -
What’s different about Both&’s designs?
We’ve spent the three years doing extensive research in order to begin developing a fit and size system not based off of the binary. By using thousands of responses to our surveys and interviewing more than 2,000 members of our community, we’ve come up with a new ratio of length to width that is entirely different than what can be found in cisgendered clothing.
We have now expanded our research and patterns to design not only shirts but swimwear, pants, and hoodies.
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If I identify as cisgender, can I still wear your clothes?
Of course! We have tested the fit of our shirts on a number of cisgendered folks and had great results. The Khazeel and the Arthur in particular, are fantastic, stylistic fits for all bodies.
Shipping & returns
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Can I still return/exchange?
All items purchased before October first are still eligible for the 28 day return and exchange window. All purchases made from October first onwards are final sale, no exceptions.
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My package hasn’t delivered yet.
We’re so sorry about the delay! Please verify that your package has shipped and has been marked delivered using the tracking we provided. Once you confirm that it's lost, fill out this form to file a claim with our team. If your package hasn’t shipped yet and it’s been more than a week, please email hello@bothandapparel.com and rely to the auto response saying you need more help with your package.
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I got the wrong items/missing items/etc.
This happens very rarely but we have set up a quick process to manage it. Please fill out this form to file a claim with our team.(It takes less than 2 minutes!) We’ll get back to you ASAP and get it sorted out.
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I want to cancel/change my order that hasn’t shipped.
All of our orders are automatically sent to our fulfillment center right when they’re placed, so once the order has been placed we are not able to cancel it.
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Do you offer free shipping?
We offer free shipping on domestic orders over $150.
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Is your packaging discreet?
Yes! All Both& packages are sent out in generic mailers with no Both& branding on the materials. Please note, however, that the return shipping address on the label does say ‘Both& Apparel.’
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Will you ship internationally?
Yes, but we are not able to take responsibility for your package, and they do sometimes get lost in international transit. You will be offered Monk Protect at checkout. This insures you against most circumstances. If you are ordering internationally, we strongly recommend you put an address that you have historically had an easy time getting packages delivered to.
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I forgot to add a discount code!
Once an order has been placed we are not able to retroactively apply discounts.
Size & fit
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I need help with sizing.
We love answering questions about sizing and fit and will gladly help you with specifics. As a general rule-of-thumb, it’s best to pick the size that leaves a little room for your biggest measurement (for a lot of our customers it’s their hips or bust). In our tees, we always encourage people to order one size up if they’re not sure. In the meantime, please use the resources on our product pages:
- Use the size chart, which appears below the product price for exact measurements of the garment.
- Check out this page and this video, which shows a community member modeling the garment in a video, with their height, time on T (if they are on it), and whether they are binding or not.
- Look through all of our model pictures and the descriptions, which also give information.
- Read the reviews — other community members weigh in on what size works for them.
SMS/MMS MOBILE MESSAGE MARKETING PROGRAM (INCLUDING CART REMINDERS) TERMS AND CONDITIONS
(a). When you opt-in to the service, we will send you an SMS message to confirm your signup. (b). Our messaging service will be used for marketing communications (including company updates, events, sales, shopping cart reminders, etc.) (c). You can cancel the SMS service at any time. Just text "STOP" to the short code. After you send the SMS message "STOP" to us, we will send you an SMS message to confirm that you have been unsubscribed. After this, you will no longer receive SMS messages from us. If you want to join again, just sign up as you did the first time and we will start sending SMS messages to you again. (d). If at any time you forget what keywords are supported, just text "HELP" to the short code. After you send the SMS message "HELP" to us, we will respond with instructions on how to use our service as well as how to unsubscribe. (e). We are able to deliver messages to the following mobile phone carriers: Major carriers: AT&T, Verizon Wireless, Sprint, T-Mobile, MetroPCS, U.S. Cellular, Alltel, Boost Mobile, Nextel, and Virgin Mobile. Minor carriers: Alaska Communications Systems (ACS), Appalachian Wireless (EKN), Bluegrass Cellular, Cellular One of East Central IL (ECIT), Cellular One of Northeast Pennsylvania, Cincinnati Bell Wireless, Cricket, Coral Wireless (Mobi PCS), COX, Cross, Element Mobile (Flat Wireless), Epic Touch (Elkhart Telephone), GCI, Golden State, Hawkeye (Chat Mobility), Hawkeye (NW Missouri), Illinois Valley Cellular, Inland Cellular, iWireless (Iowa Wireless), Keystone Wireless (Immix Wireless/PC Man), Mosaic (Consolidated or CTC Telecom), Nex-Tech Wireless, NTelos, Panhandle Communications, Pioneer, Plateau (Texas RSA 3 Ltd), Revol, RINA, Symmetry (TMP Corporation), Thumb Cellular, Union Wireless, United Wireless, Viaero Wireless, and West Central (WCC or 5 Star Wireless). ***Carriers are not liable for delayed or undelivered messages*** (f). As always, message and data rates may apply for any messages sent to you from us and to us from you. Frequency of messages may vary. If you have any questions about your text plan or data plan, it is best to contact your wireless provider. For all questions about the services provided by this short code, you can send an email to hello@bothandapparel.com.
If you have any questions regarding privacy, please read our privacy policy: Link to Privacy Policy
Schedule 1. Terms and Conditions
1. You are shopping on a merchant’s website (the “Merchant”).
2. If you place a Qualifying Customer Order, the Product(s) that you are purchasing will be sold first by the Merchant to Passport Global Inc (“Passport”), and then by Passport to you under these Terms and Conditions. Your payment information, shipping address, and any additional information required or requested to complete your order will be shared directly with Passport and its nominated agents and contractors, in order to enable Passport to complete your Qualifying Customer Order.
3. Your Qualifying Customer Order is subject to: (1) these Terms and Conditions; and (2) any relevant terms and conditions imposed by the Merchant. By completing your purchase, you confirm that you have read and agree to be bound by all of these. By placing a Qualifying Customer Order on the Merchant’s website, you understand and agree that:
3.1 You are dealing with and providing your information to Passport. Passport may contact you about your order.
3.2 If there is an error in the price listed for a Product on the Merchant’s website, or in the price applied to the product during the sale of and processing of your order for the Product, Passport and its nominated agents are entitled to contact you, correct the price, and/or cancel your order.
3.3 The Merchant remains responsible for handling payment for your order.
3.4 Once your payment is processed, ownership in the items will shift from Passport, to you.
3.5 Certain addresses will be ineligible for shipment, such as PO box addresses.
3.6 Passport may refuse service, refuse to process or complete Qualifying Customer Orders, remove or edit content, or cancel such orders for any reason or for no reason, in its sole discretion.
3.7 If you are under the age of majority in the jurisdiction in which you reside, approval of your parent or guardian is required to complete your purchase.
3.8 You authorise Passport and its nominated agents and contractors to perform any of the following activities in connection with the delivery of any Products: (i) to act as your agent to make and file customs declarations and all related actions as your direct representative, which expressly includes completing any documents, amending product or Harmonised System codes, and paying any duties, taxes or penalties required under applicable laws and regulations; (ii) to act as forwarding agent for customs import and export control purposes solely for the purpose of designating a customs broker to perform customs clearance and entry; and (iii) to redirect an order to your customs broker or other address upon request by any person whom Passport’s nominated agents and contractors believe in its reasonable opinion to be authorised.
4. Currency. You may select your preferred payment method and currency from a list of options available at the time of checkout. Please note that the relative value of currencies may vary, and as a result, the actual purchase price for items in your order may vary based on the currency selected.
5. Billing. If you use a payment card or other electronic form of payment as your payment type, the charges to your account for your order will be subject to the Merchant’s terms and conditions.
6. Shipping. Items in your order may be shipped via a single shipment, or via multiple shipments. If items in your Qualifying Customer Order are shipped via multiple shipments, or if your order is only partially filled and shipped, you will only be charged for those items that are actually shipped to you.
7. Chargebacks, Fraud Prevention and Void Transactions. For your protection, Passport may use various fraud prevention protocols and policies, and industry-standard verification systems, to reduce fraud and minimize chargeback risks. You must comply with such protocols and policies, including card authentication, and “ship to” and “bill to” address verification. Once an order is placed, you may not change any authenticated payment information or any verified “ship to”/“bill to” address. If there is a systemic error which results in the processing or acceptance of a transaction for which authorisation has been declined, that transaction will be void.
8. Customer Service and Returns. Questions or complaints about your order should be directed to the Merchant in the first instance. Passport may work with the Merchant as necessary to resolve your issue. The Merchant is authorised to allow for returns or refunds on orders in accordance with the Merchant’s policy, including to reimburse you for the original sales prices of Products returned to the Merchant’s nominated address. Passport may however refuse any return requested if a restriction applies to the item for which the return is requested. You accept that your sole remedies are against the Merchant. Where a return by the Customer is authorised by Passport or the Merchant, Passport shall also have the right to return the item to Merchant and accordingly the Merchant shall issue a credit note to Passport and Passport shall provide a credit note to the Customer, and Passport’s direction, ownership and risk in the Products for return shall pass directly to the Merchant. Where a return is authorised by Passport or the Merchant, the Merchant shall, at Passport’s direction and acting in its name, provide a credit note to the Customer to the extent of the value of the Product(s) authorised to be returned directly to the Merchant. In relation to any return of Products to the Merchant, you authorise Passport and its nominated agents to act on your behalf, and to recover for its own account, any import duties and taxes. If required, you will sign any such document that is reasonably required to facilitate the return of the Products and the recovery of any import duties and taxes.
9. General Terms. The following general terms apply whenever you place a Qualifying Customer Order through the Merchant’s website:
9.1 Compliance with Applicable Laws. You certify that any Products purchased through a Qualifying Customer Order will not be imported, exported, sold, or transferred in violation of any applicable laws, including without limitation the United States Export Administration Regulations or applicable United States sanctions and embargoes administered by the United States Treasury Department, and equivalent statutes, regulations and codes of England and Wales or the EU. It is your responsibility to know the laws of the country into which you are importing any Products that you order from the Merchant’s website. By placing a Qualifying Customer Order you certify that the import of the Products you have ordered to the country of the shipping address you have provided does not violate any laws or regulations of that country.
9.2 Privacy. To complete your Qualifying Customer Order you will be providing personal information to the Merchant and Passport and you consent to your personal information being collected, used, processed, disclosed and/or stored by the Merchant and Passport and our service providers as may be required in order to process and complete your order and otherwise provide the services you have requested, in accordance with the Merchant’s and Passport’s Privacy Policy. Passport accepts no liability or responsibility for the collection, use, processing, disclosure or storage of your personal information by the Merchant or any service provider engaged by the Merchant. The collection, use, processing, disclosure and/or storage of your personal information by the Merchant or its service providers is governed by the Merchant’s privacy policy. The Merchant and Passport may analyse transactional data for the purpose of identifying trends, statistics and measurements that could contribute to the enhancement of the Merchant’s Customer experience and/or the services provided by Passport. Any transactional data analysed for these purposes will be aggregated and de-identified, meaning that any personally identifiable information will be removed.
9.3 Electronic Communications. When you place a Qualifying Customer Order through the Merchant’s website, you are communicating with Passport electronically, and you consent to entering into this agreement by electronic means, and to receive communications from Passport electronically/via email.
9.4 Modifications. You acknowledge that Passport may make changes to its system, policies, and these Terms and Conditions at any time. Passport will ensure that the current version of these Terms and Conditions is presented every time you make a Qualifying Customer Order on the Merchant’s website. You are responsible for reviewing these Terms and Conditions each time you make a Qualifying Customer Order. If you do not agree to any change in the Terms and Conditions, you must not complete your order. Any order placed after the effective date of a change will constitute your agreement to the change and to the current Terms and Conditions .
9.5 Severability. If any or any portion of these Terms and Conditions is found to be invalid, void, or for any reason unenforceable, that term or portion of terms will be severed, and will not affect the validity and enforceability of the remaining terms.
9.6 Proceedings. Any action or proceeding arising out of or relating to these Terms and Conditions must be brought in the courts of California, United States, and you hereby irrevocably agree to the jurisdiction of the courts of California, United States for all such purposes.
9.7 Language. The parties have agreed and expressly requested that this agreement and all documents related to it be drawn up in English.
9.8 Definitions. “Member State”, “third country” and “third territories” as defined in Article 5 of Council Directive 2006/12/EEC. “Products” means those goods offered for sale via the Merchant’s website which are not of a class or description subject to any duty of excise whether or not those goods are in fact chargeable with that duty, and whether or not that duty has been paid on those goods, or prohibited or restricted goods were they to be imported into the UK, and which are not subject to any restrictions on export, sale, or transfer in violation of any Applicable Laws. “Product Prices” means the prices including VAT at the appropriate rate of the Products as held out for sale to Customer by the Merchant and accordingly, by Passport to Customer; and “Product Price” means the price of an individual Product. “Qualifying Customer Order” meets all of the following conditions:
(A) It is an order for Product or Products placed via the Merchant’s website which are to be transported from:
- a third country or territory, excluding Northern Ireland (“NI”), to an address in a Member State of the EU (e.g. USA to France);
- a third country or territory, excluding the UK, or from a Member State of the EU to an address in Great Britain (e.g. Germany to England); or
- a third country or territory, excluding NI, to an address in NI (e.g. USA to NI); and
(B) In relation to the transport of a Product or Products to an address:
- in Great Britain or NI, the total intrinsic value of the Product or Products comprising that order does not exceed £135 (one hundred and thirty five) British Pounds Sterling, or where Products comprising an order exceed that sum but are sent in separate consignments, the intrinsic value of each consignment of which the Product or Products form part does not exceed £135 (one hundred and thirty five) British Pounds Sterling; and
- in a Member State of the EU, the total intrinsic value of the Product or Products comprising that order does not exceed €150 (one hundred and fifty) Euros, or where Products comprising an order exceed that sum but are sent in separate consignments, the intrinsic value of each consignment of which the Product or Products form part does not exceed €150 (one hundred and fifty) Euros.